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Started by bella! [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 07:15  other posts
This thread is for questionable content. WHY? Just because! I am someone who enjoys the Hodge Twins. YEP, the Hodge Twins. They probably make the hairs on the back of a WOKE person stand straight up! Anyway.....

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By phart [Ignore] 10,Jul,26 08:38 other posts 
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woman doesn't want to work, just wants to fuck up everything.I hope she goes hungry


By phart [Ignore] 08,Jul,26 16:12 other posts 
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I want you to really pay attention to the story starting at 23 minutes. the whole video is worth your time, but the last bit explains why the story is not told and who gains from distorting it.

"a divided public is easy to control"

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 10:32 other posts 
Where do you think that I think that slavery started?
The 'occupation' of slave might be older than the 'occupation' of prostitute.
I don't think that where it started is an argument for anything.
I just see the end as a huge step in the development of humanity.
The ones who gain from distorting the truth, are very likely disagreeing with me.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 15:54 other posts 
I figure folks like yourself think slavery started sometime in the 1800's and is a new thing.
So little is taught about it, only enough to rile people up here in the US.
And the subject of repreparations is another sore spot. Who is owed? We all are if anyone is.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 16:27 other posts 
We have discussed this enough for you to know better.
Even the Bible is a manual for how to treat slaves of your own tribe
and how to treat other tribes that you enslave.

Reparations are surely a sore spot for you, but for someone who wants equity,
it's simply a duty to lift up the ones who need it. That's best for everyone.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 16:48 other posts 
lift all or none
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 17:52 other posts 
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need"
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 22:25 other posts 
and by the way I know you in particular know more about slavery than most folks but for the most part,most people don't because they just listen to what the media spills.


By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 22:24 other posts 
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I know people here do weird shit, so i thought i might save a life if I post this.
DOn't rub shit on your balls that you don't need to,it could kill you.


By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 09:30 other posts 
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This law needs to be brought back up, revised and a constitutional amendment made to cover communism and socialism before it gets out of control.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 10:07 other posts 
Communism means centralized government ownership.
Socialism means publicly controlled and publicly owned.
Capitalism means owned by a small minority of wealthy people.

Ownership means power. Why do you want to give all the power away to wealthy people?

The last remaining systems that are any good in your country are publicly funded.
Almost everything that has been privatized has turned to shit for the users and a
tool to extract money from the pockets of the users into the pockets of the owners.

"before it gets out of control." OMG you crazy person, there is hardly any communism
or socialism left. Almost everything has been capitalized.
You are lucky that you don't have to pay some company for the air you are breathing YET.

Have you considered how capitalism could get out of control?
Tell me what that would look like. Show me that you have the mental exploration power.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 16:46 other posts 
In classical Marxist theory, socialism is the transitional phase between capitalism and communism.

Who says I don't have to pay for the air I breath?
Try not paying taxes on your property such as your home, you would loose it, you are paying for the air you breath.
Capitalism out of control> ha, has it ever been? I doubt it ,that is the beauty of it, the consumer is in control.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 17:46 other posts 
That statement indeed reflects the standard interpretation of classical Marxism, but Marx himself did not always use the word "socialism" in that way. It also does not agree with the definitions that I provided, which are mostly how people interpreted them TODAY.

If you look at the Marxist idea of communism, it means the absence of a state; classless, stateless, and based on common ownership rather than state ownership.
When YOU are talking about 'communism', you mean authoritarian, centralized, government ownership.
I am definitely not a communist by that definition. I think that a government is useful.
It's very hard to organize effective cooperation without some form of government.

Is it really that difficult for you to imagine your preferred system going to an extreme
that you wouldn't like?

The consumer is ONLY in control if there are many protections in place. The current type of capitalism is creating monopolies, in which the consumer has NO choice at all.


By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 15:48 other posts 
All to late they are FINALY figuring out integration has a price, the loss of their culture.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 16:30 other posts 
Integration does involve change, but change is not the same as cultural loss. Throughout history, immigrant communities have often preserved their language, traditions, food, religion, and values while also participating fully in the societies they joined. Integration is about learning to function within a shared civic framework, not erasing one's identity.
In many countries, cultures have evolved and become richer through the exchange
of ideas, customs, and traditions. The real challenge is balancing social cohesion with cultural diversity, not choosing one at the expense of the other.

One passage is doing more than talking about "culture", it is primarily arguing for representation, familiarity, and a sense of belonging. Notice the examples the author gives:
- Reading books by Black authors.
- Watching films made by or about Black people.
- Attending a historically Black church.
- Making Blackness feel like "home" rather than something encountered once a year.

Their culture from Africa was already taken from them, by the slave owners. What is considered black culture, has only developed during that period and what came after. The black church is Christian, a religion that was forced upon them. Gospel music comes from slaves who were singing while doing backbreaking work, to make it more bearable. Their food traditions ("soul food") comes from the skill of making animal feed edible.

The article says: "Please, for the love of all things holy, don’t let your child’s exposure to Black culture begin and end with Black History Month.". I agree with that. They should be represented every day of the year.
Meanwhile, your administration is trying to erase not just Black History Month, but every book by a black author or with a black character in it. You are trying to erase their history in your country. Your administration is kicking out black people from all leadership positions and trying to make it impossible for them to elect black representation.
You want to completely erase their own identity, while you simultaneously expect them to accept that they don't have the same value as you. You want them to accept that American history is WHITE history. That's what you mean with "the loss of their culture".


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 13:51 other posts 
Explaining to boomers why company loyalty no longer exists
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By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 15:52 other posts 
I beg to differ with that. Why should a company waste it's time investing in you with raises and promotions if they know you are going to leave in 3 years? it would be a bad investment for them to do so.That is why a contract would be a good thing. For the company to invest in you, you have to invest in the company with your time. Want raises and promotions ,sign a contract that you will give them 15 years service and etc. I can't blame companies for not doing the same any more. people quit and change jobs at the drop of a hat nowadays. and when they get old, they won't have shit for retirement and will be looking for the government to bail them out
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 16:19 other posts 
You're just flipping it around.
I don't blame companies for doing what profits them most either,
I'm blaming the working class for not standing up to them.
We didn't get good contracts, retirements, investments in employee development, etc, because companies cared about us, we got that, because we forced them to provide it.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 13:13 other posts 
Diary Of A CEO Is Making You LESS Successful
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 05:02 other posts 
If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing.
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By phart [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 09:33 other posts 
Well I agree with him on this issue, but at the same time why are adults playing "games" anyway? the world has really sunk to a new low when adults are playing the part of a cartoon. Put that energy into something good,mow the lawn, wash the car,learn new things, playing a digital video game is mind numbing,and sadly to many peoples minds are numb already
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 09:59 other posts 
Because life cannot be just a grind, every day, until you die.
Well, actually it can, but I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't.

I don't know your experience with digital video games, but some are the opposite
of mind numbing.
- Games require active thinking, not passive consumption.
- Players solve problems, make decisions, and adapt to new situations.
- They develop cognitive skills such as planning, memory, attention, spatial reasoning, and strategic thinking.
- Many games promote deep focus ("flow"), a state of intense concentration rather than mental disengagement.
- Multiplayer games build social skills through teamwork, communication, and coordination.
- Creative games encourage design and experimentation, allowing players to build, invent, and explore.

The effects depend on the game and how it's played. Some games are intellectually demanding, while others are more relaxing or repetitive.

Research doesn't support the blanket claim that video games are mind numbing;
instead, benefits and drawbacks depend on the type of game and the amount of time spent playing.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 08:29 other posts 
That Mitchell and Webb Look - God, protect us from your worshippers.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 06:36 other posts 
If Cops Ask "Know Why I Stopped You?" - Say THIS (Simple Phrase)
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Who knows a better phrase?


By phart [Ignore] 08,Jul,26 20:25 other posts 
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Instead of being different and coming up with a solution, he falls back on everyone elses plea,turn it to 78. well damn,he is 1 of the 1's that support all the things restricting improving the grid to handle the load.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 09,Jul,26 03:46 other posts 
Here's a fact check of your hit piece:

Claim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Verdict
NYC's grid faces serious challenges --------------------------- Supported
Heat waves expose reliability issues --------------------------- Supported
New York needs major infrastructure investment ---------- Supported
Mamdani alone "helped cause" the grid's problems -------- Poorly supported / overstated
Mamdani is responsible for decades of underinvestment -- Not supported
Mamdani is against investing in the grid ----------------------- Not supported

The article argues that because Mamdani supported New York's 2019 climate law and other progressive energy policies, he bears responsibility for today's grid problems.

There are several problems with your article:

1. The timing doesn't fit.
The grid is old because much of it was built decades ago.
New York has underinvested in transmission and modernization for many years under governors, legislatures, regulators, utilities, and market operators from both parties.
That cannot reasonably be attributed to one assembly member who entered office in 2021.

2. The 2019 climate law was passed before Mamdani took office.
The article says he "defended" the law. That's true.
But he did not write or pass it as a legislator, it became law BEFORE he was sworn into the Assembly.
Supporting an existing law is different from being responsible for creating today's infrastructure.

3. Grid reliability is influenced by many actors.
These include:
- the state legislature
- the governor
- the New York State Public Service Commission
- Con Edison
- New York Independent System Operator
- federal regulators
- local permitting
- utilities' capital investment decisions
Assigning primary blame to a single state legislator is an oversimplification.

Question: "Is Mamdani investing in the power grid?"
As mayor, Mamdani does not directly control New York's electric grid.
Most major grid investment decisions are made by:
- Con Edison
- NYISO
- the Public Service Commission
- the governor
- the state legislature
- federal agencies
The mayor has only indirect influence through:
- permitting
- city-owned buildings
- climate planning
- advocacy
- zoning
So asking whether Mamdani himself is "investing in the grid" is a bit like asking whether a mayor is personally expanding the interstate highway system. He can support projects, but he doesn't control the primary investment decisions.

Question: Is he advocating for grid investment?
Generally, yes, but not in the way the article implies.
Mamdani has consistently argued for:
- expanded renewable energy,
- building electrification,
- public investment,
- cleaner electricity,
- public ownership of some energy infrastructure.
Critics argue these policies increase demand before enough supply is built.
Supporters argue they require more grid investment, not less, and that public investment should accelerate transmission and clean generation.
So it's inaccurate to say he opposes investment in the grid. The disagreement is over what kind of grid should be built and how quickly the transition should occur.

The article is an opinion piece, not a news report, and its central rhetorical move is to connect a real infrastructure problem to Mamdani's broader political agenda. There are reasonable criticisms one can make of his energy policies, for example, that aggressive electrification should be paired with faster additions of reliable generation and transmission, but saying that he "helped cause" New York's longstanding grid problems overstates both his role and his authority.

By the way, they grid problems in Houston and Dallas–Fort Worth are worse.

Across much of the U.S., one of the fastest-growing sources of electricity demand, and a major source of new grid stress, is the rapid expansion of AI and cloud data centers.

In Northern Virginia, Dallas–Fort Worth, and parts of Ohio, data centers are indeed among the biggest drivers of new electricity demand.
In New York City, Phoenix, and Los Angeles, peak air-conditioning demand during heat waves remains a larger source of grid stress today, although data centers are adding to overall demand.
Nationally, grid operators point to a combination of data center growth, electrification (EVs and heat pumps), population growth, industrial expansion, aging infrastructure, and increasingly frequent extreme weather as the main pressures.

I remember you saying once: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", related to your third world electricity grid.

When Joe Biden campaigned for president and originally introduced his legislative proposal in early 2021, the comprehensive program was called "The American Jobs Plan". The original program proposed a massive overall investment of $2.3 trillion. It was designed to be a sweeping transformation of the U.S. economy, heavily focused on climate change, green energy, and the electrical grid. This included $100 billion specifically to modernize the power grid to allow the transition to clean energy.
Because of a split Senate and pushback from Republicans, who objected to the high cost, the bill had to be heavily watered down to gain bipartisan support.
The compromise law was named the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA), commonly known as the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. It provided $1.2 trillion in total spending ($550 billion of which was brand-new federal spending).
The Power Grid ($65 billion): This survived as the single largest investment in clean energy transmission and electric grid reliability in U.S. history, designed to build thousands of miles of new high-voltage power lines to connect wind and solar farms to cities.

Immediately upon taking office, President Donald Trump aggressively pivoted away from Joe Biden’s green energy policies to favor fossil fuels and nuclear power. He issued the "Unleashing American Energy" Executive Order, which froze billions in undisbursed funds from both the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (IIJA) and the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). Following this, his administration passed his signature tax legislation, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA), which effectively dismantled or accelerated the expiration of most Biden-era clean energy tax incentives.

Private Sector Data Center Pressures: While federal funding for a "green" grid has vanished, the massive energy demand driven by the Artificial Intelligence (AI) boom has forced tech hyperscalers to continue heavily investing private capital into regional grid upgrades.

Basic Maintenance Appropriations: Under the power of the purse, Congress preserved bare-minimum funding for fundamental, non-partisan physical grid repairs and grid-hardening against extreme weather, though heavily divorced from any zero-carbon goals.

CONCLUSION:
You are blaming ONE mayor who you hate, for something that is a NATIONAL problem, which is mostly created by Republican's refusal to invest in your electricity grid.
📜 Barack Obama (2009–2017): Modernization & Green Energy
Obama focused on preparing the power grid for renewable energy integration.
• $4.5 billion in federal stimulus (via the 2009 Recovery Act), which was matched by private companies to create a total investment of over $8 billion.
• This funding went directly toward deploying digital "Smart Grid" technologies, including installing smart meters in millions of homes.
• He fast-tracked federal permitting to build massive, interstate transmission lines designed to carry wind and solar power.

🛠️ Donald Trump (2017–2021): Fossil Fuels & Grid Stability
Trump completely shifted the focus toward traditional energy sources and repealed Obama's climate regulations.
• He introduced no major new federal multi-billion-dollar funds specifically for green grid expansion.
• Instead, the administration focused on deregulation and financial support to keep aging coal and nuclear plants online to protect the grid's "baseload" (baseline capacity).
• Federal permitting processes were redirected to accelerate traditional fossil fuel infrastructure, such as oil and gas pipelines.

The administration views energy through the lens of policy, while the market views it through the lens of profit. The Trump administration uses federal policy to keep older, traditional power plants running because they provide steady, 24/7 power. However, private companies and utility providers are driven strictly by the bottom line. Because wind and solar are now the cheapest forms of new energy ever invented, the private sector keeps building them anyway, not for political reasons, but because they make the most financial sense.

This misalignment is precisely what causes severe, systemic stress on the power grid. It creates a structural mismatch between where electricity is being made (the market) and where the physical infrastructure is being built to move it (government policy).

The market is flooding the system with cheap solar and wind proposals, but because federal approvals for large interstate transmission lines have been slowed down, there are not enough physical wires to connect them. This has created a massive 2,600 gigawatt backlog of energy projects waiting in line just to plug into the grid.Clean energy developers are facing average wait times of five years (and up to 12 years in some regions) to get a connection. The market wants to supply cheap power, but the infrastructure is physically legally bottlenecked.

CONCLUSION:
Just like you once proposed, the market is solving climate change. The problem is that your shortsighted administration is trying to keep financially obsolete technology alive.


By phart [Ignore] 08,Jul,26 21:05 other posts 
Napoleon's cherished appendage was surgically removed by a doctor who later gifted it to a priest. When the priest passed away, it was inherited by his family in Corsica. Eventually, the appendage was sold to an English bookseller, who later sold it to an American bookseller. Surprisingly, it was even exhibited at the Museum of French Art in New York in 1927. Subsequently, a reputable urologist acquired it for US$3,000, recognizing its value as a significant artefact of his field.

think that's wierd,
Read about William Buckland


By bella! [Ignore] 28,Jun,26 17:57 other posts 
You may not be a Christian, maybe you didn’t like Charlie Kirk but by golly, it was difficult to debate with him.

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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 08:54 other posts 
That's because he fires off 5-10 fallacies per minute
and it is impossible to address all of them in limited time.



[A fallacy is a mistaken belief, misconception, or a flaw in reasoning that undermines the logical validity of an argument. It is an error in logic that makes an argument unsound, even if the conclusion happens to be true. People may use fallacies intentionally or unintentionally, but they can mislead others by making flawed arguments seem valid.]

In most clips he is debating students, not skilled debaters like himself.
And he was known for cutting up his debates in clips where he thought he was winning
and leaving out all the bits where he is losing. He gave himself a 3/0 advantage, and then you comment how difficult is was to debate with him. Sure, professional grifters are indeed hard to beat in a debate, but their ideas are not. That's why he needed all those tricks.

Sometimes Charlie got crushed by students, but he never showed those parts in the clips. The real problems with his argumentation only show up in a careful analysis. Because his pace was always so high, he never showed any weakness, and most people are not trained in recognizing fallacies, he can still look good firing off completely faulty and dishonest arguments. If you get the time to think about it, or an analyst takes you through all the fallacies, Charlie completely unravels.
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By mr_blue [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 15:19 other posts 
I think you miss the point with Charlie Kirk....
You can say he used fallacies,strawman arguments etc..
All he was really trying to do was get people to talk to people who have a difference of opinions.....why did he pick universities as his main pulpit for discussion, probably to show how brainwashed the students are.....
The problem with academics is that they think they know better all the time......
By CAT52! [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 15:43 other posts 
I find it interesting Mr_Blue that you describe college students as “brainwashed” but not the MAGA movement.
Speaking at a university is easier to get a crowd as students believe that they are the future inheritors of the political system and the saviors of the system. In practical terms, this is true.
Charlie Kirk was a two bit agitator monetizing the right wing extremism of the time. His assassination made him a martyr. His ideas, though, are third rate. He wasn’t looking for a dialogue between sides. He was looking for his self interest.
Academics may not know it all and they may have views that are not necessarily popular but, at least, those views were formed in a place of education.
You are the second member here to say college students, and by extension colleges, are not straight thinkers or places where straight thinking occurs.
Practically everyone in government or science is a product of a college education. The left and the right both went to college. Do you mean to say the Left went to substandard universities and the right went to the “right” college? 🤣😈
By mr_blue [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 16:40 other posts 
Blah blah blah ,you see what you want to see.......you interpret it as I am against a group.when that's not the case....Charlie Kirk stated his beliefs,and went to places that hated him..... mainly left wing universities....to promote dialogue...he lost his life for his beliefs....live by the sword he dies by it,so he practiced what he preached.
And academics see people as pet projects that's why you have white liberals telling everyone they know better because they have a degree..
Colleges are indoctrination centres now,they teach what to think not how to think....
And he monitised his position,so what,got to learn to earn,he pointed out that a lot of university degrees are not worth the time and money....
You can read the same books they teach from at university,if I read all the books a student reads ,am I just as smart as them if I can recall and reference said books?
Or do I need the bit of paper to say that I am just as smart?
I know so many people that cannot read or write that well,they get called idiots,stupid etc....give them a car to fix,a wall to build, they knock that shit out of the park...
Yeah academics has it's place but practical manual skills pay the bills.....
By CAT52! [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 21:36 other posts 
Manual skills. As if a structural engineer didn’t use his hands or an IT technician doesn’t fix things. Perhaps a surgeon doesn’t have manual skills.
The thing is that ALL work, all professions are honorable. There a need for someone to twirl a screwdriver and someone to do research to find a cure for a disease.
Self learning is not to be put down. But, a book will give you the basics but a professor is the one that teaches you the practical way of doing what a textbook tells you.
“ And academics see people as pet projects that's why you have white liberals telling everyone they know better because they have a degree.”
This sentence is so wrong in so many levels.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 12:17 other posts 
Credentialism
Of course a surgeon has manual skills , it's a level of competency...
What I'm saying is that quite a lot of university/college degrees are useless now...
You can have bad teachers....that teach bad methodology...
And the students can go into the workplace and be incompetent because of the way they have been taught...
If you want equal rights you have to have difficult discussions and that's what higher learning should be, but it's not that way anymore....
And academics do see people as pet projects... they want the adulation of being virtuous at pointing out a so called wrong of the past....they feel superior in their little bubble...
By bella! [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 14:33 other posts 
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 15:13 other posts 
So you consider this a universal thing? In other words, are universities in Alabama the same as in New York or Los Angeles? How about in Oxford or Paris?What about in Tokyo?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 17:00 other posts 
What do those qualifications mean at the end of the day? If you are competent you will be awarded a qualification.
Location of the universities carries some weight to a point...but it's always about levels of competence.
Why have grading systems? To show how much you understand when you get tested...but you need someone competent in the first place to do the testing....
As I said bad teachers can have a flawed methodology...if a student has fear of repercussions for asking a question...why do you think happens? Students know not to ask,they don't learn then,you need to make your own mistakes to understand things a lot of the time..and teachers/professors don't like being shown up in their lessons if they can't answer that question...

And that's why I say the universities are indoctrinating students...cuz the students are scared to ask questions... that's not right,if you come to a conclusion by your own volition after a discussion, that's the way it should be ,not someone telling you, you're wrong for thinking that way....equality means everything and everyone is open to questioning....if you don't believe that something should be said, it's not equality...
It's your right to express your opinion,and it's my right to say that opinion is crap.... that's just the way I see it....
Doesn't make me any better than you....
By CAT52! [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 19:38 other posts 
You make it sound like you are
So the one having to resort to fallacies is the one you need to unbrainwash people?
Why can't you find someone who uses verifiable facts and correct arguments to do that?

My side doesn't need to lie about facts and confuse people with fallacies.
That's a pretty good sign that the brainwashed people are on your side.

Good universities DON'T teach students WHAT to think, they teach them HOW to think. Rather than asking students to accept claims on authority, they teach them how to evaluate evidence, use logic, question assumptions, design experiments, solve problems, and revise their conclusions when better evidence emerges. Your idea shows me that you have no experience with higher education at all, which makes it easy for propagandists to make you believe the nonsense that you are parroting.

The Delft university isn't just repairing cars, they are designing and building cutting-edge solar-powered vehicles and winning prizes with them. And not just solar cars either.

- Brunel Solar Team – Designs and builds world-class solar-powered race cars for the Bridgestone World Solar Challenge.
- Forze Hydrogen Racing – Builds hydrogen fuel cell race cars. Their prototypes have achieved impressive acceleration while demonstrating that hydrogen can power high-performance vehicles.
- DUT Racing – Competes in Formula Student by designing and manufacturing electric formula-style race cars from the ground up. The team develops everything from suspension and aerodynamics to battery packs and software.
- Eco-Runner Team Delft – Develops ultra-efficient hydrogen-powered vehicles focused on maximizing distance per unit of energy. They regularly compete in efficiency competitions and have set performance benchmarks.
- Hydro Motion Team – Designs and builds hydrogen-powered boats, exploring zero-emission maritime transport.

I visited the famous Dutch Technical University several times, because a schoolmate went to do research there after our education, while I went into private sector jobs.
They do real science there and students are closely involved. Lots of advancements in science and technology come from universities and then get picked up by private companies making money from these publicly funded advancements.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 18:07 other posts 
and facts are what? Really it only comes down to what you believe...
And saying I'm on a side is a bit silly....overton window shifts...so yeah bro,keep rocking that academic brain...
Too long in the laboratory and not actually talking to people in real life who have a different view than you really makes you a sheep...
There's brainwashed people all over the spectrum...
Do you really think I'm on a side?

I thought you liked critical thinking.
Your side is what exactly?
And I am pretty sure someone here can call out a lie from your side...
Let's play political ping pong whataboutism


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Nice edit btw,did you have to go chat gpt to do a little post for you,gotta get that internet win on your scorecard
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And yeah,I didn't go into higher education,classrooms are not me ...so what? Do you not think I have university educated friends and family?
Do you not think I have read books or something?
Not all educated people are smart,they possess competence in a given subject,they can still lack common sense...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 29,Jun,26 21:01 other posts 
"Facts" are an accurate description of reality. If everything only came down to belief, then medicine, engineering, and science wouldn't work consistently. A bridge doesn't stay up because people believe it will, it stays up because it follows the laws of physics. Beliefs are personal, facts are constrained by reality.

Yes, you are on a side, a side that denies reality.

"I am pretty sure someone here can call out a lie from your side"
Wow, I cannot remember the last time your side said anything truthful.

"common sense" is untrustworthy, it's based on intuition, not necessarily on reality. You can have a natural logic, but what you are most commonly referring to as "common sense" is just mostly "group think". It depends on culture and era.
What feels "obvious" is often wrong, especially in complex subjects. Knowledge provides accurate facts, and logical reasoning tests whether conclusions actually follow from those facts. Without both, common sense can confidently lead to mistakes.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 02:42 other posts 
Mrblue, nice hearing from you, enjoy listening to your opinions
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 09:20 other posts 
If you prefer opinions over facts and logic, he's your guy.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 11:58 other posts 
acting morally superior over everyone here with your chat gpt crap......
Have an opinion , lefty's don't like freedom of expression much, they preach tolerance and understanding, except when it's a white guy....or Christianity or Judaism...
Acting like you're so much better than Americans..
Pretty fucking funny to me....
Can you actually function in society without a safe space in case someone hurt your feelings...
And you keep trying to say I'm on a side.... I'm on my side,what fucking change can I possibly make to American political structure when I'm not even a citizen of that country...


As for common sense being groupthink, that's a good one....so a consensus amongst scientists is not groupthink then,what about COVID? You literally just a had a man made government virus spread....and a vaccine shot that didn't prevent infections,so it was not a vaccine then ....was it?
Baa baa...
Blindly believing anything is stupidity at it's finest even if you are presented with endless facts and data..
Anything can be manipulated to make a case for or against something...
So rigid are you in your thinking that you can't even see someone playing devil's advocate....
I'm quite happy being stupid thanks ,ignorance is bliss
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 06:01 other posts 
You really don't understand lefties; freedom is our base motivation.
Our basis is humanism; the idea that everyone has equal value, which is exactly what your Declaration of Independence starts with. That means that there shouldn't be a small group of people who control everyone else, with their money.
What's America based on more and more? Billionaires running the country.
And when one politician promises some good things for normal people, what are you saying? We cannot do that, because the billionaires will leave! Do you want to cuck yourself to billionaires?
Explain how that is a lefty not liking freedom.

I don't have to trust scientists about Covid, because I understand everything related to the problem. Corona viruses have existed for tens of millions to hundreds of millions of years. We can trace back likely Corona outbreaks for hundreds of years, and there is evidence of Neanderthals dying from it and building up resistance to it. Saying that Covid is man-made is nonsense. It's still possible that it was a lab-leak, but there are Corona viruses in nature all around the area that Covid first occurred, in lots of different animals. That's why they are studying it there. No one is studying Corona viruses in the arctic. There are also no scientists studying wild elephants in Canada. I'm not morally superior or that much smarter, I just have some knowledge on several subjects that you don't understand the slightest thing about. You lot know so little, that you don't understand how little you know. Still you are talking very confidently, repeating absolute nonsense, from people who want to distract you with nonsense. You need only a little bit more knowledge to understand how much false ideas they are planting in your head.
When experts were talking about Covid on TV, it all made sense, but when politicians or journalists were trying to explain things, and I recognized all the mistakes. But those were honest mistakes from people who don't have the required knowledge. When your right-wing media was talking about Covid, EVERYTHING WAS WRONG. You didn't know, because you CAN'T know. It requires a level of knowledge. Understand that.
By bella! [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 09:57 other posts 
Ananas, mr_blue is not an American
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 15:41 other posts 
OK, but that doesn't matter much. The UK has the same problem.
Margaret Thatcher did the same things as Ronald Reagan; tax-cuts for the wealthy and harsh spending cuts on everything that is important for the working class people.
I've never seen right-wingers increase freedom for working class people, but the wealthy got lots of freedom to exploit, scam and pollute. Point me out one important freedom for working class people that wasn't achieved by the left or liberals fighting for it and/or wasn't fought against tooth and nail by right-wingers/conservatives.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 16:39 other posts 
Freedom of speech.....at present in the UK we have a socialist government jailing people for tweets,....and they are trying to a pass bill in parliament to scan all private messages,and to make digital ID mandatory phones.... Fucking tyrants want us live in a digital prison...so yeah ,a workers party socialist government want to take freedom from people....
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 16:52 other posts 
Freedom of speech is implemented by liberals. There have been lots of governments calling themselves 'socialist' that were crushing free speech, but none of them were actually socialist by official definitions. The countries that are actually the most socialist are the Scandinavian countries, and their freedom of speech and freedom of the press is the best in the world.

You DON'T have a socialist government, the labor party has fully turned to neo-liberalism. The only party in your country that can be called 'socialist'
by some stretch of the definition is the Green Party, and they are strongly supportive of civil liberties and freedom of expression.

What did your conservatives do?
Tougher restrictions on protests: The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 gave police broader powers to impose conditions on protests that were deemed excessively noisy or disruptive.
Expanded surveillance powers through the Investigatory Powers Act 2016.
Arrested anti-monarchy protesters around the Coronation of Charles III and Camilla under new public order laws.
The National Security Act 2023 introduced new offences aimed at foreign interference and espionage, which journalists and legal scholars expressed concern about, because parts of the legislation could have implications for investigative reporting, although the government said it was directed at hostile states rather than ordinary journalism.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 17:00 other posts 
They still say they're socialists, that's why they got voted in,so you're telling me a political party lied to get into power and didn't do anything to make the situation better for everyone only their political backers,no way,what a shocker...
so just as bad as any other countries then...
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Will you stop with the edits...
I know you have this academic itch going on where you need to show the workings out of your views....
But geez man...
What did my conservatives do? You're desperately trying to put me a in box and say I'm something I'm not....
An islamo communist coalition calling itself a supporter of civil liberty and freedom of expression....aka green party.... that's gotta be satire from you?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 17:12 other posts 
The labor party does NOT say they're socialists.
Only stupid right-wingers say that.

And so what? Some people call Trump transparent.
And he calls himself the peace president. Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care about the labels that politicians give themselves,
I use the correct terms for what they are actually doing.

Your labor party has failed the working class for decades.
That's not a failure of socialism, that's a failure of those politicians.
How about pointing blame at the politicians who did the most damage, instead of the politicians who failed to repair it?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 17:26 other posts 
As I said earlier
"so you're telling me a political party lied to get into power and didn't do anything to make the situation better for everyone only their political backers,no way,what a shocker..."
Still the need to put me in a box with a label...
So democratic socialists are not socialist then?
Cuz there's lots of Labour members of that ilk...
And you think you have a say in how governments are run I guess...
You vote for a representative who can be bought like any other politicians..
All politicians are crooks.....
I can see what's going on,and how all politicians are controlled opposition,the status quo must be preserved for the rich....
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 18:04 other posts 
Exactly, politicians who lie, what a strange concept.
Again, they failed to make things better, but the conservatives are the party that broke everything.

Are you denying that you are a right-winger? You show it in everything.

The current Labor Party is NOT democratic socialists at all.
They would even privatize your NHS, if they could get away with it.
When was the last time that they turned a private system into a public one?
They are fully capitalist, not socialist.

"And you think you have a say in how governments are run I guess"
What are you even trying to say here? No, I just don't fall for stupid labeling tricks.

If you understood at all how the Socialist Party in my country is organized, you wouldn't say something that uninformed. We are probably the most grass roots organized party in the world.

"the status quo must be preserved for the rich...." Are YOU saying that?
Do you understand HOW that is done?
- Tax-cuts for the wealthy
- Privatizing public utilities
- Allowing large political donations
- Allowing lobbying
- Reducing transparency
- The wealthy buying up the media and turning it into propaganda
- Tax loopholes and preferential treatment
- Strict laws for the poor, weak laws for the wealthy
- The revolving door
- Weakening labor unions
- Restricting voting access
- Underfunding public education
- Corporate subsidies and bailouts
- Extending patent or copyright protections to increase monopolies
- Awarding government contracts to politically connected companies
- Weak inheritance or estate taxes
- Austerity politics
- Trade and investment rules favoring large multinational firms
- Banking and financial deregulation
- TELLING POOR PEOPLE THAT POLITICS IS NOT FOR THEM

The more they make you believe that voting is useless and all politicians are corrupt or crooks anyway, the more you will look away or vote for fucking fake populists like Nigel Farage, who are doing the bidding of the wealthy even more.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 18:15 other posts 
I think you have to put people into boxes to satisfy your own egotistical nature....
And you're so condescending,you need to be right...
I can see what is going on,you just want to feel superior and lecture everyone about how they know nothing about their own country and politics....
You're part of the same system...
As I said,all politicians are crooks owned by their financial backers,you needed a big list to satisfy your academic thirst to show that....
Pick whatever terminology you want...
Unless you are an elected official you're not in government,so you're just a voter...
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And these fucking edits....
Farage is a grifter ..
I keep repeating the same shit...all of them are self serving crooks,owned by their financial backers so pick a terminology....they are all the same....
It is controlled opposition....
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jul,26 06:47 other posts 
Are you actually reacting to my arguments?
You are doing more personal attacks than me.
So who is being condescending?

If all politicians are crooks, does voting even matter?
Do you think that the wealthy aren't voting?
The political system suits them very well.
They always get what is best for them. How about you?

You can have a bigger influence than just voting, if you are an active member of a party. You can then also see what kind of other people are there. Have you ever seen the annual conference of your Conservative Party? What does the crowd look like? Maybe lots of older white well groomed people in expensive suits, looking like they are living a life of comfort? Not necessarily a representative sample of all members or voters, aren't they. Those people get to vote on who is the next MP. After the conference, it's mostly the people who are wearing the nicest suits, who get to talk with the people who were on stage.
Only once, I got to see the crowd of our VVD, which ChatGPT calls the "centre-right liberal party". I call it the "corporate party", because they support lower taxes, a market economy, entrepreneurship, and fiscal restraint. That crowd was filled with people who scream CEO with their whole look. There are lots of normal people member of that party, but they are somehow not showing up in those meetings. Now look at the Socialist Party meetings, and they are much more a representation of the average Dutch person. Only the people on stage might be wearing a suit, and it's clearly not an expensive one. I am a member of that party, and I have been in that crowd several times. People around me were all sociable and outspoken and informed, but not necessarily highly educated. None of them show the attitude: "I'm above you, so don't talk to me!". That's because my party gives easy access to all layers of the representation. Just show up at the right meetings, and you get to present changes or even propose whole chapters for the core values statement, the statement of principles, and every letter in every election program. Then you get to vote on the proposals with all other active members and directly control the politics of the party. The actual politicians are just representatives of what their voters want them to represent. It's nice to see them fight for everything that those active members have decided. I see some of the 'elected officials' of my municipality at least once per month. I'm damn annoyed that you think
of them as crooks, because they're sympathetic and empathic, honest, outspoken, smart, experienced and hard-working people.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 03,Jul,26 17:35 other posts 
Personal attacks...bro....grow a pair FFS...
My conservatives party.....errr....too funny....still trying to put me in that box...
I do vote.....I can get access to my local council representative....they have to reply..... it's their job,but try getting access to a member of parliament here, you'll be lucky....
But ultimately it's just a vote to nothing.....while you have representatives ,you have people who can be bought by a few donors,grassroots movements tend to turn to anarchy.....all of these movements have to have one person leading based on a set of rules for what they want to do(manifesto etc)that they will bend or change those rules to suit their own needs after being elected...doesn't matter which party,name of the group etc...
It's piecrust promises....I don't know how many times you could Google a political party breaking their big ticket item promise that they got voted in on (we won't raise taxes, then their first budget ,raise taxes etc)
If you're annoyed at me calling them crooks.....I don't know them, just I know that politicians are crooks...so take from that what you want..
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Jul,26 06:16 other posts 
You are the one acting like a snowflake, I'm not.

If you call the labor party 'socialist', you're on the right, because they have been very centrist and neo-liberal for a long time now.
I don't see you defend any progressive ideas or values, which means that you are a conservative. If you were on the center of progressive and conservative, I would expect you to at least defend some progressive ideas or values.

If you don't want me to label you, or you think I'm labeling you incorrectly, then you could explain what you actually stand FOR, instead of spouting your grievances.

If they don't raise taxes on the rich, they WILL raise YOUR taxes.
They are not crooks, they are doing what you are voting for.
By phart [Ignore] 04,Jul,26 18:47 other posts 
-I am sorry, but that is a crock of shit, Freedom of speech is the strongest nemesis of liberalism. it allows people to talk about things not on the leftist agenda .That would wake people up in their utopian prison and make them think ,which would dissolve the liberal utopia.
By bella! [Ignore] 04,Jul,26 20:21 other posts 
Golly, phart, I was worried about you, you haven’t posted since June 26. All is well in your world, you are fine, your father is fine??
By phart [Ignore] 04,Jul,26 22:17 other posts 
all is well, when I travel I unplug!
Freedom of speech is one of liberalism's core principles. Liberalism argues that people should be free to express, debate, and challenge ideas, including liberal ones. If an ideology fears free speech, it's moving away from liberalism, not toward it.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jul,26 13:55 other posts 
that's just it, liberals buy out and close up conservative platforms so that the idea's are not as easy to hear, google even hides results that are conservative. and who owns google? certainly not a republican.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jul,26 09:24 other posts 
Google was never left or right. It absolutely NOT hiding conservative content, it may favor mainstream sources, it's blocking criminal websites that are only out to scam you. People like you are an easy target for scammers, because you'll believe anything. Just like Christians are easy targets for people who sell essential oils and other bullshit.

U.S. congressional hearings and lawsuits have repeatedly examined allegations that Google censors conservatives. To date, no investigation has definitively established that Google has a company-wide policy of suppressing conservative viewpoints in search results.

Since Google bought up YouTube, it has been actively helping conservative channels and actively suppressing left-wing channels. Right-wing channels with hardly any views end up with millions of subscribers, while left-wing channels with hundreds of millions of views hardly get any new subscribers. Also, right-wing or even downright hateful comments are much less often deleted than lift-wing comments with numbers or facts. Racism is allowed to almost the extreme, but saying something negative about Israel can get you banned, quickly and without any explanation.

X blocked the "Donald Trump Portfolio Tracker" account, which was showing all the insider information and other corruption of Trump.
There were NO claims that the information was incorrect.
It was just blocked by X, without ANY reason given. A clear First Amendment violation, because the president's finances and potential conflicts of interest are within the main reason for the first amendment, which is allowing citizens to openly hold their leaders accountable.

The following 'liberal' media platforms were bought by right-wing/conservatives in the last 10 years and turned more right-wing:
- Twitter (X)
- CNN
- The Washington Post
- Los Angeles Times
- CBS News

There are now not just less left-wing opinions being voiced, there is lots
of evidence of ACTIVE suppression of the TRUTH which might hurt your administration. ACTUAL First Amendment stuff.

These are HUGE outlets, while you are probably referring to the website of some bigot in his basement, making up hateful bullshit.

What your thinking is literally the opposite of reality.
Give me your list then.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 11:31 other posts 
Sheep....baa baa....I think you're pretty ignorant...you understand everything related to the problem....what absolute arrogance on display.....
Explain a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting the thing it's supposed to protect you from....how come so many vaccinated people still got COVID?
And explain the gain of function research being tested with Corona virus in Wuhan.......
I happy to say I don't know something,but I think you still have to show how clever you are,with your chat gpt stuff.
All I'm doing is asking questions...--------------------------------------- added after 9 minutesOh yeah ,as someone else pointed out, I'm not American...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 16:04 other posts 
The first variant of Covid was actually suppressed by the vaccines for 75%. Later variants were harder to suppress. Still the vaccines do protect against contracting Covid. But that's not important. They reduce the chance of dying of getting severely ill from Covid by up to 95%.
There are lots of vaccines that don't protect you for 100%, like Influenza, Whooping Cough, RSV, Mpox, Rotavirus, Malaria.
Even the smallpox vaccine was only 95% to 97% effective, but it did completely eradicate smallpox globally in 1980.

Gain of function research is done on multiple virussen. They also closely follow bird flu. It means research to determine what genetic mutation or cross swapping with other virus strains can cause the virus to be more lethal or resistant to treatments. That's not intended to make that happen, that's intended to predict it, warn about it and propose preventative measures for it. That is in Wuhan, because the risk is in that area.
We have similar labs in the Netherlands (Wageningen Bioveterinary Research (WBVR)). They study bird flu, because lots of migrating birds use our country as feeding grounds, and we have lots of chickens in open air. We also have the RIVM monitoring for zoonotic transmission and providing national public health guidelines.

It's your basic distrust in governments that make you think that these labs are doing something nefarious. That distrust is useful for right-wingers, because their main goal is making the government smaller and privatizing everything. This is why they want you to believe that the governmnet is evil. Most of the time they are not outright saying that, they are "just asking questions", which you fill in with your indoctrinated brain.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 16:46 other posts 
Vaccine is not a vaccine if it doesn't protect or prevent a transmission...
I understand what gain function is I asked you to explain the Wuhan coronavirus research and why is ended up transferring to humans....
I know two people who died from COVID after getting a vaccination,so whatever bro....and they were in good health...
So forgive my skeptical nature and distrust in governments.... government is not there to help you, it's there to take your taxes....
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 17:35 other posts 
You lot are only capable of thinking binary.
Since when are any pharmaceuticals 100% effective?
Will you turn down chemo therapy, if you have cancer, when they tell you it will only have a 95% of saving your life?

Have you not heard of SARS? That is a Corona virus too. Corona viruses didn't end up transferring to humans with Covid, they have for all of human history. COVID-19 was just another instance of that.

And I know of several people (family of friends) who died of Covid before the vaccinations were available. I don't know anyone who died of Covid after being fully vaccinated. My 4 year old brother had Covid as one of the first people in my country. He survived, but he felt worse than with any flu ever and his condition was affected for months after. I had Covid after I was vaccinated, and it wasn't a big deal. I've had worse colds. This is all just "anecdotal evidence". You can pick and chose which ones confirm your opinions.
I accept statistics from trustworthy public sources, who provide all their data to the public. Who do you trust? Do you trust people who say: "I'm only asking questions!", but never even try to honestly answer them?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 17:43 other posts 
What lot? I'm a sceptic....in case you haven't figured it out...
Chemo therapy is tried and tested science...
You just want to be right that's all it is,all I'm trying to say to you is don't believe everything blindly, that's bad science in itself ....why did everyone come to a conclusion about COVID so quickly,why didn't any sceptical doctors get to air their opinions ?... scientific inquiry was not enough for me....
Don't be a dick about things .... look between the lines a little.....
By CAT52! [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 18:13 other posts 
Chemo is a tried and tested science but, right now, my 45 yr old youngest son is dying of stage four colon cancer that has spread all over his body and Chemotherapy is making it worse. The Chemo makes him throw up all day foods. He’s down to 133 lbs from 240 lbs. he’s starving to death because of the chemo.
And his life span is measured in weeks and months. Nothing in medicine is 100% reliable.
That's not skepticism, that's cynicism or anti-intellectualism.
A Skeptic discovers the truth through objective evidence and the scientific method.

Vaccines are tried and tested science as well.
The pivotal Phase 3 trials for the first COVID-19 vaccines were among the largest vaccine trials ever conducted.
Pfizer-BioNTech: about 43,500 participants in the pivotal Phase 3 trial.
Moderna: about 30,400 participants.
AstraZeneca: over 32,000 participants in its U.S./Chile/Peru Phase 3 trial, with additional participants in UK and Brazil trials.

The typical cancer drugs are tested on much less people before approval:
Phase 1: 20–100 patients
Determines a safe dose and identifies side effects.
Phase 2: 100–300 patients
Looks for signs that the drug works against a specific cancer.
Phase 3: Typically 300–1,000 patients, though some studies enroll several thousand.

If anything you were saying was true, I didn't need to keep correcting you.

"why did everyone come to a conclusion about COVID so quickly"?
BECAUSE THERE WERE MILLIONS OF ILLNESS CASES
ALL OVER THE WORLD!!!
It takes longer to see if your polio vaccine works, because not many people get polio. You need to have a certain percentage of people get the illness in your trial group to determine how effective it is. That can take many many years for a rare illness, but it only took a few months for Covid.
And all of the drug regulatory authorities were on top of the tests to get them through the process. Just the paperwork can take YEARS, but not if everyone prioritizes this one important regulatory approval process.
Normally, pharmaceutical companies are not producing many millions of dollars worth of product, before they actually know that they can make a profit on them. They didn't do that for Covid, because it was a global pandemic killing millions of people. They invested hundreds of millions of dollars to build production capacity and started making product for many millions of people, to be able to distribute it to as many people as possible, as soon as they got the green light from the FDA and EMA.

I am a dick about this, because this is all VERY BASIC STUFF.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 20:21 other posts 
Patronising and condescending....
You really are stupid and cannot see the wood for the trees...
Vaccination, yes, tried and tested as a process over years with peers review....hundreds of cases.
COVID was a fast track vaccination given to billions without legal recourse to the manufacturer.... massive profit for those corporations...and how many doctors did you see challenging it? So bad science....so fuck off with saying I'm anti intellectualism or not a sceptic....
And yes it is basic stuff but still makes you a dick about it...
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jul,26 07:07 other posts 
I'll show you same patronizing and condescending comments:

Blah blah blah ,you see what you want to see
so yeah bro,keep rocking that academic brain...
Too long in the laboratory and not actually talking to people in real life who have a different view than you really makes you a sheep...
I thought you liked critical thinking. Your side is what exactly?
acting morally superior over everyone here with your chat gpt crap......
Acting like you're so much better than Americans.. Pretty fucking funny to me....
Blindly believing anything is stupidity at it's finest even if you are presented with endless facts and data..
So rigid are you in your thinking that you can't even see someone playing devil's advocate....
I know you have this academic itch going on where you need to show the workings out of your views.... But geez man...
that's gotta be satire from you?
And you think you have a say in how governments are run I guess...
I think you have to put people into boxes to satisfy your own egotistical nature....
And you're so condescending,you need to be right...
I can see what is going on,you just want to feel superior and lecture everyone about how they know nothing about their own country and politics....
You're part of the same system...
you needed a big list to satisfy your academic thirst to show that....
Sheep....baa baa....I think you're pretty ignorant...you understand everything related to the problem....what absolute arrogance on display.....
Explain ..., Explain ...
I think you still have to show how clever you are,with your chat gpt stuff.
...in case you haven't figured it out...
You just want to be right that's all it is,
all I'm trying to say to you is don't believe everything blindly,
Don't be a dick about things .... look between the lines a little.....

"It's your right to express your opinion,and it's my right to say that opinion is crap.."
That's my right too.

You're a much bigger dick than me in these discussions.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 03,Jul,26 17:11 other posts 
I appreciate English is probably your second language,I think you might miss a bit in translation as you take the words and repeat them back ...
You read those words in a tone of voice that might not be the way it's intended...
If you think those words are patronising and condescending,you might need to learn to put on your big boy pants and saddle up for a rough ride in life...
I'm blunt,and yeah I'm a dick,so what, who isn't? it's the internet, everyone is a dick....
Look where we are discussing what we are discussing?
On a site with a bunch of dicks (bad pun intended)
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jul,26 09:07 other posts 
Well, maybe it's a cultural issue then.
Dutch people are direct by nature, as you probably might have heard.
We think that it's impolite to be dishonest or say something you don't mean or to expect people to read your mind. You might be blunt in tone, but you are being cryptic as hell about your opinions on what actually matters in the world we live in.
By bella! [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 14:25 other posts 
I agree, Cody. I find mr_blue in a similar way, Charlie Kirk-esque. He rarely reflects his particular stance however he will present opinions and facts that encourage posters of other possibilities. Thank you mr_blue!
By bella! [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 14:36 other posts 
You said a mouthful! ❤️

“ Not all educated people are smart,they possess competence in a given subject,they can still lack common sense...”
By mr_blue [Ignore] 30,Jun,26 17:30 other posts 
If you know anyone who is on the neuro divergent spectrum you will know that to be the case....they can solve complex problems like it's nothing but they couldn't boil an egg....
Even if they have been shown how to boil an egg a hundred times,...but have seen a complex equation once.....
True, but if you lack that competence in a given subject, you're much more susceptible to believing lies or nonsense related to that subject.

If you don't know shit about cars, a used car sales person has a much easier time to sell you a lemon. That doesn't mean that the car mechanic who isn't fooled by cheap trickery is smarter, they just have the necessary knowledge and skills that makes them recognize lies or bullshit.

When mr_blue is talking about Covid to me, it's like a used car salesmen saying:

"This model has the upgraded turbo flux capacitor. It actually makes the engine run smoother by pre-aligning the spark molecules before combustion."

"Don't worry about that knocking sound. This engine has adaptive self-healing pistons. They wear in reverse after about 10,000 miles."

"These tires are filled with premium dealership air. It reduces gravity by about 15%, so you'll save on fuel."
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 16:53 other posts 
If you don't know shit about cars you call a mechanic or vehicle technician, take them with you,then go and buy the car...
If you are arrogant and think you are smart, you go and buy a car thinking you can outsmart the guy selling you the car...lol

Are you a virologist ?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 19:03 other posts 
So THEN you do trust a specialist?
When you need to get a science question answered, you call a SCIENTIST.

I'm a bio(process)engineer working in biotech pharma.
I worked in the production lab for 10 years, and I am now working in a supporting department, in which we as a team improve processes, equipment and procedures, implement new products, improve quality and safety and reduce costs. I have not produced vaccines, but I worked closely with people who were involved with the development of one of the Covid vaccines. We got almost daily updates of the trail process.

How much do you need to know about cars to buy a car without getting scammed?
Do you need to be an expert, or is a good basic level enough?
Do you have a good basic level on how viruses infect cells, mutate, and spread, virus research, immunology, vaccines, vaccines research, vaccines production, clinical trial processes, adverse event reporting and signal detection, pharmacovigilance, causality assessment, and which statistics are trustworthy and which are not. Every link in the chain of pharmaceutical approval has its problems, but overall they are pretty damn reliable. Billions of people use pharmaceuticals and not many of them die because of a bad product. Are you afraid to take a pill for your headache or get a local anesthetic when you need a tooth pulled? The same process that makes you trust those were used for the Covid vaccines, even though people want to make you believe it was not. All their predictions of what was supposed to happen with Covid and the vaccines turned out to be nonsense, but you pick the smallest things to keep believing failed predictions. Why?
By mr_blue [Ignore] 01,Jul,26 20:46 other posts 
Of course I can trust a specialist, doesn't mean I cannot get a second opinion..
Ah yes Scientists, those who are supposed to question a theory,and still be sceptical when they see everyone is reaching the same conclusions..
What did you say about anecdotal evidence? And you expect me to believe you now, after being so dismissive of everything I say...
And I get science... What don't you seem to understand here...?
Tried and tested methodology is fine....
Science is fine.
COVID , fucking corporate scam.....why was so much information about COVID suppressed by governments?why did they ban YouTube doctors talking about? I didn't see much debate about the efficacy of the vaccination...it was get the jab or loose your job....from every government....no jab,no entry...yet people still got COVID after vaccination.....can you not see why I'm sceptical here?
If you're really a science guy ,you know there's truth in what I'm saying..
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jul,26 07:46 other posts 
When you need heart surgery, you don't get a second opinion from a pastry chef.
Your ideas about Covid are not supported by ANY specialists.

What are you talking about with "the same conclusions" related to Covid?
Scientists and academics were very much debating each other on how to best approach the pandemic. But the science around it was just science. Not everything was known for 100% sure at all time, but that doesn't mean that the "I'm just asking questions" crowd ever had any decent points. The main actors in that movement were in it to destroy confidence in science and vaccines. Their motivation can be traced back directly to Christian fundamentalist and big corrupt money.

Are you now calling what scientists do "anecdotal evidence"? The vaccines were tested on over a hundred thousand people, before the general public got their shots. During that process, no one involved knows who gets the vaccine and who gets the placebo, but every little possible side-effect gets documented and investigated. Two cases involved people who died. Production of the related vaccine was immediately stopped. The FDA investigated the deaths. Usually, this takes months. Because of the priority of the Covid vaccines, the FDA reported back in only a few days. The people who died had the placebo, and died of natural causes. That WILL happen, if you test something on 100,000 people. There were no other cases like that. However, afterwards the results were presented, see below. Is that "anecdotal evidence"? Maybe, but it's better evidence than most vaccines and most medicines. They could have tested the vaccines for another few year, but then the pandemic would have been over,
and many more people would have died.

Pfizer–BioNTech (BNT162b2)
Participants randomized: 43,448
Vaccine: 21,720
Placebo: 21,728
Symptomatic COVID-19 (primary endpoint):
Vaccine: 8 cases
Placebo: 162 cases
Estimated efficacy: 95%
COVID-19 deaths: 0 in both groups during the blinded period.

Moderna (mRNA-1273)
Participants randomized: 30,420
Vaccine: 15,210
Placebo: 15,210
Symptomatic COVID-19:
Vaccine: 11 cases
Placebo: 185 cases
Estimated efficacy: 94.1%
Severe COVID-19:
Vaccine: 0 cases
Placebo: 30 cases
COVID-19 deaths:
Vaccine: 0
Placebo: 1

Janssen / Johnson & Johnson (Ad26.COV2.S)
Participants randomized: 43,783
Vaccine: 21,895
Placebo: 21,888
Moderate to severe/critical COVID-19 (≥14 days after vaccination):
Vaccine: 116 cases
Placebo: 348 cases
Estimated efficacy: 66.9%
Severe/critical COVID-19:
Vaccine: 14 cases
Placebo: 60 cases
COVID-19 deaths:
Vaccine: 0
Placebo: 5

Oxford–AstraZeneca (AZD1222)
Participants randomized: 32,451
Vaccine: 21,635
Placebo: 10,816
Symptomatic COVID-19:
Vaccine: 73 cases
Placebo: 130 cases
Estimated efficacy: 74.0%
Severe or critical COVID-19:
Vaccine: 0 cases
Placebo: 8 cases
COVID-19 deaths:
Vaccine: 0
Placebo: 0

Why are there differences in efficacy? Mostly because the vaccines were tested at different times, when different Covid strains were active.
And why did only 6 people die in total? Even though some old and unhealthy people attended as test subjects, these are people who trust the science. If they are old or unhealthy, they would not get themselves into danger of getting Covid, because they know they have about a 50/50 chance of having received a placebo. The test subjects who actually contracted Covid, were very likely to be the healthy young ones, who are more sure that they would survive. Even a test person isn't motivated much to sacrifice their life for science.

"it was get the jab or loose your job"
If your job was literally to care for old and sick people, yes.
Can we expect something of those people? Do you understand patriotism?
Another nice piece of anecdotal evidence: a member of the extended family works in a nursing home. Before the vaccines were available, they were demanded to be very careful and not come to work if they had symptoms. She had symptoms but went to work anyway. An old lady who she liked very much got infected and died. She felt guilty, but her husband is a real science denier, and made her forget that very soon. Literally death on their hands from being ignorant, but they don't care (long).

"yet people still got COVID after vaccination" Yes, but less of them DIED!!!

If you were actually skeptical, you would be open to facts and logic.
By mr_blue [Ignore] 03,Jul,26 17:03 other posts 
Of course I don't get a second opinion from a pastry chef..I go to another doctor....
Where did I say I'm against vaccination?
I just asked about COVID and the quickness that they got to giving everyone a shot...
And you mentioning the FDA is priceless,why did they come back so quick,an American drug agency giving the world advice and you accept that blindly now...you see the data,I see human behaviour....
"And I know of several people (family of friends) who died of Covid before the vaccinations were available. I don't know anyone who died of Covid after being fully vaccinated. My 4 year old brother had Covid as one of the first people in my country. He survived, but he felt worse than with any flu ever and his condition was affected for months after. I had Covid after I was vaccinated, and it wasn't a big deal. I've had worse colds. This is all just "anecdotal evidence". You can pick and chose which ones confirm your opinions.
I accept statistics from trustworthy public sources, who provide all their data to the public. Who do you trust? Do you trust people who say: "I'm only asking questions!", but never even try to honestly answer them? "
That is what I'm referring to when I say anecdotal evidence...you used an anecdote but dismissed mine,so why should I believe what you say....

I'm open to facts and logic,you just like to lecture...proving my earlier comment"
“ Not all educated people are smart,they possess competence in a given subject,they can still lack common sense"

You can explain the science, I understand why we study such things.....do you think it actually jumped from a wet food market into humans? Is that the absolute only possibility to how it spread ?Would you accept to even a tiny possibility that is was adapted by humans and escaped the laboratory?

In the UK if were not able to work from home, most adults had to get the jab ....so I don't really know what patriotism has to do with COVID here...
There were COVID inspectors checking people....have you got your card or app on your phone to show you have been vaccinated..
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jul,26 10:56 other posts 
When a bridge was built in 6 months, while other similar bridges take 2 years, does that mean that construction codes must have been ignored?
I am explaining that such a bridge would normally be constructed by 50 workers, but because it had collapsed and it was a very important transportation route, they allocated a crew of 350 workers, reassigned from lots of other projects, to get a new bridge in working order in 6 months, while 20 inspectors were on site 24/7, reacting to all issues immediately to not keep the workers waiting, and to make sure everything was constructed safer than the last bridge that collapsed.

In my opinion, the American FDA is the best agency that Americans ever created. I'm not saying that they are perfect, but I've seen their professionalism and knowledge first hand. Pharmaceutical companies shit their pants when they walk in unannounced. When the Covid vaccines were ramped up and tested, they were on top of that. That delayed other clinical tests, but the world needed them to act. It was similar for the pharmaceutical companies. All of the effort and money went into getting those processes on-line, leaving other manufacturing processes on just life-support. All other projects were on-hold, with full priority on the Covid vaccines. Personally, I got the workload of 3 FTE, because many colleagues left to the Janssen vaccine plant. All people with ambition, who wanted to join the most important project in vaccine development in years or even decades. Why? Because this was a pandemic hitting the developed countries. There were stories about shipping containers full of dead people in Italy. That made people feel differently than when it was people in Africa dying from Ebola. Actually, the development of an Ebola vaccine was put on hold for the prioritization of the Covid vaccine.
Do you understand now why the Covid vaccines were available so quickly?
And no, I don't just trust the FDA. All countries have their own scientific evaluations. We have both the Medicines Evaluation Board (CBG College ter Beoordeling van Geneesmiddelen) and the European Medicines Agency (EMA) doing very similar assessments. Pfizer-BioNTech is partly German and AstraZeneca is developed by the University of Oxford in the UK. The FDA was not the main regulator there.

OK, you found one mistake; "My 4 year old brother" was a typo, he is 4 years younger than me. I'm explaining that everyone has their anecdotes. Only the government has access to all the data.

"they can still lack common sense" If you mean logical reasoning, I agree.

"do you think it actually jumped from a wet food market into humans?"
I told you, IT DIDN'T!!! Corona viruses have killed people for tens to hundreds of thousands of years. Neanderthals probably had it already. SARS is 80% identical to COVID-19. Viruses mutate like crazy. They survive long periods in animals, but they hop on to humans any time that people come into contact with animals too closely. Those food markets are very much a risk of it. That doesn't mean that I BELIEVE ANYTHING. I'm an atheist, I don't believe ANYTHING, accept some claims with certainty, when they are supported by overwhelming evidence and I accept other claims with much lower certainty, when they are supported by less evidence. both the wet market and lab leak scenarios are plausible to me. The idea that it was intentionally done by China is ridiculous to me. They only hurt themselves more than any others, and they are incapable of that incompetence. I wouldn't say the same of the US, because their incompetence knows no limits.

Patriotism is a feeling of love, loyalty, and commitment to one's country and countrymen. That very much includes sacrificing a bit of risk to your own life or health, to save the lives of your countrymen, or to reduce the burden on your hospitals, who are trying to save the lives of your countrymen. People who call themselves 'patriots' didn't even want to bother themselves with a fucking piece of cloth on their mouths, so they don't cough the virus into grandma's lungs. How much do you love your country, if you distrust it that much?

Yes, I had the app, and I got fully vaxxed when they asked me. I was very careful to not get infected and then infect any others. I was fully vaxxed, when I finally did get it. Then I went to get officially tested, and I was in self-isolation, until I was safe again. We both were, because I got it from my girlfriend, who got it in the hospital she works in, from colleagues who were not being careful. There's no saying how many weakened patients died because of their behavior. I protected my family, friends and countrymen. Did you?
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jul,26 14:09 other posts 
I honestly had never heard of the man till he was shot. But there again, it seems only those that actually try to find common ground, or at least attempt to fix things, are the 1's that die. Look back at Kennedy, Reagon,Trump ,and others that go against the liberal narrative to upset the profitable apple cart . All shot at and or dead.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jul,26 11:59 other posts 
It depends who they were upsetting the profitable apple cart FOR.
Kennedy did it for the average American.
Reagan did it for the wealthy and corporations.
Trump did it to get accepted by the elite and worshiped by stupid people.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jul,26 14:24 other posts 
so it's ok to shoot someone who is upsetting the profitable apple cart as long as you approve the reason? I doubt that is what you mean BUT, you never know.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 07,Jul,26 10:16 other posts 
Your assuming incorrectly that I was talking about shooting someone.
You were making it sound like upsetting the apple cart is good and that people
doing that always have good intentions. That's what I was reacting to.

You're assuming that liberals don't want to upset the apple cart, which is only true in the current little piece of history. When your liberal democracy was created, it very much did upset the apple cart. Many violent wars were fought over creating liberal systems. Seeing how politics is moving, it looks almost inevitable that more horrible wars have to be fought to maintain some of those liberal systems.

Once there is a liberal system, you are probably right that liberals want to maintain it, and therefore don't want to upset the apple cart.
However, while some forms of liberalism prioritize economic stability and market freedom, other liberal traditions accept substantial economic disruption, when it is necessary to protect rights, competition, or democratic values.

It's however also a symptom of capitalism. The main people who don't want the profitable apple cart to be disrupted, are the ones who profit from it the most.

People can react violently, when someone is trying to take something away from them.
That could be the profitable apple cart, power or rights. People who don't upset the apple cart are mostly not a danger to anyone's income, wealth, power or rights,
so it stands to reason that they're less at risk of being murdered.


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