Well I have been sitting on the fence for long enough . Tuesday evening I finally added the 2 frenum 10 gage piercings below my over stretched loop . I then decided to do my own PA . I had to use a straight 10 gage bar with 6 mm beads as I could not fit a captive bead ring into the piercing. I waited a few days for things to calm down. Yesterday I was finally able to add in a 10 gage ring. Man , the little 6 mm bead is a pain to set in place properly. It is not an APA , but it will do for now